From: Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>
Date: 2004-08-17T05:34:02+09:00
Subject: Re: About ruvi

Alexander Kellett wrote:
>>Those who like ruvi are welcome to use it. But personally -- and
>>I think this is all Gavin and Hans were saying -- when I compare
>>ruvi's functionality to vim's, I'm reminded of Monty Python's
>>"cheese shop" skit.
>>
>>But to someone who only uses 1% of vim's features, ruvi will
>>indeed be a clone (assuming it's the same 1%).
>>
>>For heaven's sake, let's be civil.
> 
> 
> agreed. more civil phrasings especially would be welcome.
> and while i love monty python... i didn't laugh i'm afraid.

Well, I owe you an apology for the Monty Python reference. It's
not my intention to insult you.

I'm not interested in "who said what" or who was rude first.

Let me attempt to be constructive.

A large part of this misunderstanding stems from the perception
that ruvi was being advertised as a complete and usable vim
clone.

I presume that you weren't really saying that. ruvi may be usable
as an editor right now (it seems it is). And it may aspire to be
a vim clone, though right now I would say it merely has some
features in common with vim.

The common perception was, I think, that a vim clone would implement
at least a large subset of vim's features. Objectively, ruvi isn't
there yet. Subjectively, everyone uses/likes different features of
vim anyway. Even if it implemented 95% of vim, there would still be
people who would want some obscure feature and throw up their hands
because it wasn't there.

FWIW, here are some of the vim commands I use (all I can think of).
The least frequently used is ^V -- the others I use pretty much on
a daily basis.

gg and G
w, b, e, and f
a and A
p and P
yy
.
[n]cw
x
z. z- and z+
ZZ
:q
:q!
:w!
:wq
:w
:f
:r
:!shellcmd
:linenum
~
^F and ^B
/ and ?
n
j and k (yes, I sometimes use those)
|
^ and $
:i,j<cmd>
:s
H
L
J
dd
u
^R
^V
^Y
^E
m and '
%
:%s/regex/text/[g]
:i,js/regex/text[g]


So for me *personally*, a vim clone would have to have all those features
(and I'm sure ruvi has most of them already).

Note also that I'm not a real power user. I don't do macros and keyboard
mappings, I hardly ever use multiple buffers or multi-window commands. I
don't do any vim-scripting, although I rely on what others have done. I do
appreciate the syntax highlighting and the indentation stuff. If the
highlighting in ruvi is better than that in vim, that would be a huge plus
for me.

Just my comments.

Thanks for all your work, and good luck with this project.


Hal