From: headius@... Date: 2019-09-18T01:00:01+00:00 Subject: [ruby-core:94951] [Ruby master Feature#11473] Immutable String literal in Ruby 3 Issue #11473 has been updated by headius (Charles Nutter). > This depends on the ruby code. Some projects will be semi-dormant due to various reasons. That's for us to address as a community. Are we going to let a single decade-old gem prevent us from moving Ruby forward? What's the threshold? There's libraries out there that don't work on Ruby 1.9. We left them behind or replaced them. And are people depending on a gem that's unmaintained *really* going to be the ones to jump on Ruby 3.0 the day after Christmas 2020? This is also still supposition. Name some gems that are unmaintained and in wide use. We can fix them! We have the technology! > In my opinion, if matz's objective is to make the transition to ruby 3.0 simple, then it actually makes a lot of sense to postpone frozen strings by default. Postpone until when? 3.1? So then 3.1 will be the hard break? They've been discussed for what, ten years now? How long is long enough? We've added many ways for people to start transitioning to immutable literal strings, and people are using those mechanisms widely. We've pushed this transition a long time, and we still have another year until 3.0 is out and longer than that until people will *need* to make a move. What is the threshold for being "ready" to make this change? Unless we're planning to wait until Ruby 4.0 in 2030 to do this, I think we should do it now. > I use frozen strings in most of my ruby projects, most of them set to true via the toplevel comment, so either way, it would not affect me. Exactly. Most people already do use frozen string literals. And adding a pragma means we can transition troublesome code to the new way with a single line per affected file. Heck, we can even add --enable:mutable-literal-string for people that are stuck with some of that old unmaintained code, allowing them to have a soft landing. ---------------------------------------- Feature #11473: Immutable String literal in Ruby 3 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/11473#change-81567 * Author: ko1 (Koichi Sasada) * Status: Closed * Priority: Normal * Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto) * Target version: ---------------------------------------- Matz said "All String literals are immutable (frozen) on Ruby 3". This ticket is place holder to discuss about that. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ Unsubscribe: