[#6143] — Christophe Poucet <christophe.poucet@...>

Hello,

17 messages 2005/10/04
[#6147] Re: patch.tgz — nobu.nokada@... 2005/10/04

Hi,

[#6199] Kernel rdoc HTML file not being created when rdoc is run on 1.8.3 — James Britt <ruby@...>

When 1.8.3 came out, I grabbed the source and ran rdoc on it. After

9 messages 2005/10/08

[#6251] RubyGems, upstream releases and idempotence of packaging — Mauricio Fern疣dez <mfp@...>

[sorry for the very late reply; I left this message in +postponed and forgot

14 messages 2005/10/12

[#6282] Wilderness: Need Code to invoke ELTS_SHARED response — "Charles E. Thornton" <ruby-core@...>

Testing the My Object Dump and I am trying to cause creation

13 messages 2005/10/14
[#6283] Re: Wilderness: Need Code to invoke ELTS_SHARED response — Mauricio Fern疣dez <mfp@...> 2005/10/14

On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 05:04:59PM +0900, Charles E. Thornton wrote:

[#6288] Re: Wilderness: Need Code to invoke ELTS_SHARED response — "Charles E. Thornton" <ruby-core@...> 2005/10/14

Mauricio Fern疣dez wrote:

[#6365] Time for built-in Rational and Complex classes? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

There has been some support for, but no comment on, RCR #260 ("Make

12 messages 2005/10/24
[#6366] Re: Time for built-in Rational and Complex classes? — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/10/24

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#6405] Re: [PATCH] Pathname.exists?() — "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@...>

12 messages 2005/10/25
[#6406] Re: [PATCH] Pathname.exists?() — TRANS <transfire@...> 2005/10/25

On 10/25/05, Berger, Daniel <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> wrote:

[#6408] Re: [PATCH] Pathname.exists?() — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2005/10/25

On 10/26/05, TRANS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#6442] Wilderness: I Have formatted README.EXT into an HTML Document — "Charles E. Thornton" <ruby-core@...>

I have taken README.EXT (English Version Only) and have reformatted

14 messages 2005/10/27

[#6469] csv.rb a start on refactoring. — Hugh Sasse <hgs@...>

For a database application I found using CSV to be rather slow.

50 messages 2005/10/28
[#6470] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/10/28

[#6471] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/10/28

On Oct 28, 2005, at 8:53 AM, Ara.T.Howard wrote:

[#6474] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/10/28

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#6484] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/10/29

On Oct 28, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Ara.T.Howard wrote:

[#6485] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/10/29

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#6486] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/10/29

On Oct 28, 2005, at 8:25 PM, Ara.T.Howard wrote:

[#6487] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/10/29

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#6491] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/10/29

On Oct 28, 2005, at 8:43 PM, Ara.T.Howard wrote:

[#6493] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/10/29

On Oct 28, 2005, at 10:06 PM, James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#6496] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/10/29

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#6502] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/10/30

On Oct 29, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Ara.T.Howard wrote:

[#6505] Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring. — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/10/30

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#6511] Planning FasterCSV (was Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring.) — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/10/30

I've decided to create a FasterCSV library, based on the code we

[#6516] Re: Planning FasterCSV (was Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring.) — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/10/31

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#6518] Re: Planning FasterCSV (was Re: csv.rb a start on refactoring.) — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2005/10/31

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Re: RubyGems, upstream releases and idempotence of packaging

From: Mauricio Fern疣dez <mfp@...>
Date: 2005-10-17 12:47:21 UTC
List: ruby-core #6303
On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:55:41PM +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:
> > In my previous message, I tried to convey the idea that, given some
> > conditions, a pure-Ruby .gem-only release is more akin to binary
> > packages than to pristine sources.
>
> ".gem files should always be considered 'binary releases' in that
> they're provided for runtime use, not for creating packages.  If
> people want to create a package out of a project, they should seek out
> a tarball or SCM access.  If a project releases .gem files only and
> provides no SCM access, the (re)packager should bug the author about
> this instead of complaining that .gem files aren't everything they
> want."  Discuss.

We're considering the following alternatives (the initial assumption is
that we want repackaging to happen so that end users can install Ruby
software the way they choose --- or they're allowed to):
* accept the status quo: do to the "binary" nature of RubyGems packages,
  often attempts to repackage them involve:
    * requests to the upstream developer for the pristine sources
    * patching by the repackager (or the upstream developer) to ensure
      the software works without depending on RubyGems
* provide a mechanism to make it easy to give repackagers the input they need
  without affecting RubyGems' capabilities.

I see the tradeoff as 

         (a)                                  (b)
 RubyGems + Package  <======>    * repackaging effort
 implementation cost             * upstream effort to ensure the
                                   sw. works with and without RubyGems

     (done once)                     (once per package)


Moving towards (a) minimizes the global amount of work needed to
develop, release, repackage and install Ruby software.

I'm willing to work on making that happen, and am thus helping Christian
Neukirchen with Package. The approach we propose demands little to no
effort from the RubyGems team.

-- 
Mauricio Fernandez

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