[#5737] returning strings from methods/instance_methods — TRANS <transfire@...>

I was just wondering why with #methods and #instance_methods, it was

11 messages 2005/09/08

[#5796] proposed attr writer patch — Daniel Berger <Daniel.Berger@...>

Hi all,

18 messages 2005/09/16

[#5798] Makefile error in OpenSLL extension (on Windows) — noreply@...

Bugs item #2472, was opened at 2005-09-16 18:56

11 messages 2005/09/17
[#5800] Re: [ ruby-Bugs-2472 ] Makefile error in OpenSLL extension (on Windows) — nobu.nokada@... 2005/09/17

Hi,

[#5851] Re: RubyGems in Ruby HEAD — Paul van Tilburg <paul@...>

Hi all,

34 messages 2005/09/21
[#5867] Re: RubyGems in Ruby HEAD — mathew <meta@...> 2005/09/21

Paul van Tilburg wrote:

[#5870] Re: RubyGems in Ruby HEAD — Marc Dequènes (Duck) <Duck@...> 2005/09/21

[#5920] Re: RubyGems in Ruby HEAD — mathew <meta@...> 2005/09/22

Marc Dequ竪nes (Duck) wrote:

[#5926] Re: RubyGems in Ruby HEAD — Pascal Terjan <pterjan@...> 2005/09/23

On 9/22/05, mathew <meta@pobox.com> wrote:

[#5931] Re: RubyGems in Ruby HEAD — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/09/23

On 9/23/05, Pascal Terjan <pterjan@gmail.com> wrote:

[#5898] Delegate and Forwardable Documentation — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

I've tried to send these files through a couple of times now with

17 messages 2005/09/22
[#5911] Re: Delegate and Forwardable Documentation — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/09/22

On Sep 22, 2005, at 9:02 AM, James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#5924] Re: Delegate and Forwardable Documentation — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/09/23

On Sep 22, 2005, at 11:53 AM, James Edward Gray II wrote:

[#5941] Re: Delegate and Forwardable Documentation — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/09/23

Hi,

[#5942] Re: Delegate and Forwardable Documentation — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/09/23

On Sep 23, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#5947] Re: Delegate and Forwardable Documentation — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/09/23

Hi,

[#5921] Mutually dependent libs double loading. — TRANS <transfire@...>

I'm on Ruby 1.8.2.

14 messages 2005/09/23
[#5923] Re: Mutually dependent libs double loading. — Florian Gro<florgro@...> 2005/09/23

TRANS wrote:

[#5985] Finally an answer to my RubyGems question and some small suggestions — TRANS <transfire@...>

I appreciate those that attempted to offer me some info on this issue.

9 messages 2005/09/26

[#6001] Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem — TRANS <transfire@...>

I've added namespaces to require. Works like this:

94 messages 2005/09/26
[#6002] Re: Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/09/26

On 9/26/05, TRANS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#6003] Re: Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem — TRANS <transfire@...> 2005/09/26

On 9/26/05, Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:

[#6005] Re: Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/09/26

On 9/26/05, TRANS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#6007] gems is a language change, not a pkging system (Re: Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem) — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2005/09/26

Quoting halostatue@gmail.com, on Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 06:02:07AM +0900:

[#6013] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system (Re: Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/09/27

On 9/26/05, Sam Roberts <sroberts@uniserve.com> wrote:

[#6014] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2005/09/27

Quoting halostatue@gmail.com, on Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:29:17AM +0900:

[#6015] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/09/27

On Sep 26, 2005, at 8:54 PM, Sam Roberts wrote:

[#6016] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2005/09/27

Quoting james@grayproductions.net, on Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 11:06:01AM +0900:

[#6018] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/09/27

On 9/26/05, Sam Roberts <sroberts@uniserve.com> wrote:

[#6019] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2005/09/27

Quoting halostatue@gmail.com, on Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 11:49:14AM +0900:

[#6024] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/09/27

On 9/27/05, Sam Roberts <sroberts@uniserve.com> wrote:

[#6025] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Ralph Amissah <ralph.amissah@...> 2005/09/27

> Right now, they're watching people who have pretty much sat on the side

[#6026] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/09/27

On 9/27/05, Ralph Amissah <ralph.amissah@gmail.com> wrote:

[#6043] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Ralph Amissah <ralph.amissah@...> 2005/09/28

I'll greatly weaken my post, and give everyone the opportunity to head me

[#6044] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Hugh Sasse <hgs@...> 2005/09/28

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Ralph Amissah wrote:

[#6073] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Mauricio Fern疣dez <mfp@...> 2005/09/28

Hello,

[#6074] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Jim Weirich <jim@...> 2005/09/29

On Wednesday 28 September 2005 07:35 pm, Mauricio Fern疣dez wrote:

[#6017] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/09/27

On 9/26/05, Sam Roberts <sroberts@uniserve.com> wrote:

[#6046] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — "Sean E. Russell" <ser@...> 2005/09/28

On Monday 26 September 2005 22:41, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#6050] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — Hugh Sasse <hgs@...> 2005/09/28

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Sean E. Russell wrote:

[#6207] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system — "Sean E. Russell" <ser@...> 2005/10/10

On Wednesday 28 September 2005 08:54, Hugh Sasse wrote:

[#6045] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system (Re: Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem) — "Sean E. Russell" <ser@...> 2005/09/28

On Monday 26 September 2005 21:29, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#6048] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system (Re: Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/09/28

On 9/28/05, Sean E. Russell <ser@germane-software.com> wrote:

[#6059] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system (Re: Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem) — Dominique Brezinski <dominique.brezinski@...> 2005/09/28

On 9/28/05, Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:

[#6061] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system (Re: Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem) — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/09/28

On 9/28/05, Dominique Brezinski <dominique.brezinski@gmail.com> wrote:

[#6062] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system (Re: Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem) — Dominique Brezinski <dominique.brezinski@...> 2005/09/28

For what it is worth, I live life behind an authenticated proxy, so I

[#6099] Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system (Re: Require Namepaces and RubyGems' effect on LoadPath problem) — "Sean E. Russell" <ser@...> 2005/09/30

On Wednesday 28 September 2005 08:43, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#6009] Re: ruby 1.8.3 (2005-09-21) [i486-linux] sisu segfault — Ralph Amissah <ralph.amissah@...>

(i) correction, segfault is with official ruby 1.8.3 (2005-09-21), not

21 messages 2005/09/27
[#6010] Fwd: ruby 1.8.3 (2005-09-21) [i486-linux] sisu segfault — Ralph Amissah <ralph.amissah@...> 2005/09/27

[sorry for duplicate post]

[#6079] Re: Fwd: ruby 1.8.3 (2005-09-21) [i486-linux] sisu segfault — ts <decoux@...> 2005/09/29

>>>>> "R" == Ralph Amissah <ralph.amissah@gmail.com> writes:

[#6081] Re: Fwd: ruby 1.8.3 (2005-09-21) [i486-linux] sisu segfault — ts <decoux@...> 2005/09/29

>>>>> "t" == ts <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> writes:

[#6082] Re: Fwd: ruby 1.8.3 (2005-09-21) [i486-linux] sisu segfault — Tanaka Akira <akr@...17n.org> 2005/09/29

In article <200509291419.j8TEJYid015419@moulon.inra.fr>,

Re: gems is a language change, not a pkging system

From: "Sean E. Russell" <ser@...>
Date: 2005-09-28 12:22:14 UTC
List: ruby-core #6046
On Monday 26 September 2005 22:41, Austin Ziegler wrote:
> The *real* harm is that without RubyGems, there would be fewer libraries
> easily installed.

This is a straw-man argument. 

The easiest way for users to install software -- ANY software, including 
libraries -- is by using the package manager that they use for installing all 
other software on their system.

> You don't like RubyGems? MAKE SOMETHING YOURSELF AND PROMOTE IT.
> Otherwise you're simply being obstructionist and *no one* has time for
> that.

Another straw man.  Users may oppose RubyGems for other reasons not having to 
do with any specific implementation of a library manager.

I only fear getting locked into using a specific library manager.  I (and you) 
expect the following process to occur:

1 RubyGems is bundled with Ruby.
2 Gems then becomes viewed as the standard library distribution mechanism.
3 Library developers, especially newcomers who've never used setup.rb,
  will only distribute their packages as Gems.
4 The perception of the standard becomes a fact, resulting in a feedback
   loop at 3.

None of this bothers me as a developer, because I won't be distributing my 
libraries as Gems.  However, it bothers me greatly as a user, because now I 
won't be able to install Ruby libraries without gems, which forces me to use 
it.  It also means that I won't be able to use Ruby at work, because of 
RubyGems' aforementioned inability to deal with firewalls properly.

> API version numbering in the name is one of the *worst* things you can
> do. I much prefer supporting AIX and HP-UX to supporting Linux because
> of this nonsense. (Solaris isn't much better than Linux for this.)

"Carthago delenda est!"  --  The versioning mechanism must be separate from 
the library manager.

-- 
--- SER

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, 
more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.  On some 
great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach 
their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned 
by a downright moron."        -  H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

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