From: "Charles E. Thornton" Date: 2005-09-22T05:10:26+09:00 Subject: Wilderness: What is ID_JUNK Used for? Following the code in rb_define_class(), ID_JUNK appears to be an error indicator, but can't really find anywhere that it is inserted in a ID Reference. Murky :-( -- GodFather -- 667 Neighbor of the Beast