Re: PLEASE Stop Ilias Now

+1

Ilias won't get me to leave ruby-talk, but he's certainly making this place 
a lot less fun. He clearly knows little about Ruby, but doesn't hesitate to 
criticize Matz or present himself as an authority to newbies.

Perhaps Ilias gets off on the fact that there's a thread dedicated to 
stopping him, but he does present a problem. As Ryan pointed out, he 
bothered the Lisp folks until they ignored him and he gave up. We need to do 
the same.

It's sad to see the otherwise amazing Ruby community tarnished by such a 
lame troll.

Bill

On 5/12/05, Ryan Davis <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> I'm spawning a new thread for the benefit of those with killfiles.
> 
> On May 12, 2005, at 6:17 AM, Alexander Kellett wrote:
> > On May 12, 2005, at 3:13 PM, Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> >
> >> Feel free to open a new thread to discuss processing-models.
> >> But please refrain from further off-topic messages in this thread.
> >>
> >
> > if illias isn't blocked from this mailing list soon
> > i'll be unsubscribing from this one also.
> >
> > this is just pathetic.
> 
> I'm in the same boat. Please, stop this now. If we don't stop this
> quickly, it will only get much much worse. Illias doesn't contribute,
> he is the destroyer of the signal:noise, which was previously very
> very good on ruby-core... He demands that things be done his way for
> the benefit of his understanding only. He has done this to ruby-talk,
> and many many groups before ruby. Despite protestations he is NOT
> here to help us, only himself.
> 
> He will demand that we explain and/or simplify every single line of
> the makefile (as you've seen on his line-by-line "analysis" of
> building miniruby. Any single line he doesn't understand, he'll ask
> US to explain instead of doing any research on his own. If we don't
> answer to his liking, he'll declare that we aren't helping and demand
> explanation further.
> 
> When he is done with the makefile, he will move to EVERY function of
> EVERY C file in core ruby. He will insist that every single thing he
> doesn't understand get explained for him (without doing any research
> on his own), and then he'll demand that it get simplified. When I say
> "EVERY function of EVERY C file in core ruby", I'm being as literal
> and precise as I can be in my prediction.
> 
> This list is NOT for that type of discussion, please, let's not make
> it that now. Please, stop this now. I really don't want to leave this
> list, in fact, I _need_ to be on this list.
> 
> ----- Following is something Eric wrote up after doing research on
> Ilias:
> 
> check out this:
> 
> http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html
> 
> Especially:
> 
> Ilias is currently (17-Sep-2002) being almost entirely ignored and
> is crying alone to himself, while trying to join in various threads.
> With luck if this continues he will get bored and wander off to
> annoy people in some other newsgroup. He is one of the most
> malignant posters to cll in recent history - between 27-Aug-2002
> and 24-Sep-2002 threads begin by him were about 1/4 of the articles
> in cll.
> 
> -----
> 
> Go read those threads. Seriously. They are an exact reflection of
> what is being done to ruby.
> 
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Bill Atkins