From: Bill Atkins <batkins57@...>
Date: 2005-05-13T10:45:52+09:00
Subject: Re: PLEASE Stop Ilias Now

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Ilias won't get me to leave ruby-talk, but he's certainly making this place=
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a lot less fun. He clearly knows little about Ruby, but doesn't hesitate to=
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criticize Matz or present himself as an authority to newbies.

Perhaps Ilias gets off on the fact that there's a thread dedicated to=20
stopping him, but he does present a problem. As Ryan pointed out, he=20
bothered the Lisp folks until they ignored him and he gave up. We need to d=
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the same.

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lame troll.

Bill

On 5/12/05, Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@zenspider.com> wrote:
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> I'm spawning a new thread for the benefit of those with killfiles.
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> On May 12, 2005, at 6:17 AM, Alexander Kellett wrote:
> > On May 12, 2005, at 3:13 PM, Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> >
> >> Feel free to open a new thread to discuss processing-models.
> >> But please refrain from further off-topic messages in this thread.
> >>
> >
> > if illias isn't blocked from this mailing list soon
> > i'll be unsubscribing from this one also.
> >
> > this is just pathetic.
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> I'm in the same boat. Please, stop this now. If we don't stop this
> quickly, it will only get much much worse. Illias doesn't contribute,
> he is the destroyer of the signal:noise, which was previously very
> very good on ruby-core... He demands that things be done his way for
> the benefit of his understanding only. He has done this to ruby-talk,
> and many many groups before ruby. Despite protestations he is NOT
> here to help us, only himself.
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> He will demand that we explain and/or simplify every single line of
> the makefile (as you've seen on his line-by-line "analysis" of
> building miniruby. Any single line he doesn't understand, he'll ask
> US to explain instead of doing any research on his own. If we don't
> answer to his liking, he'll declare that we aren't helping and demand
> explanation further.
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> When he is done with the makefile, he will move to EVERY function of
> EVERY C file in core ruby. He will insist that every single thing he
> doesn't understand get explained for him (without doing any research
> on his own), and then he'll demand that it get simplified. When I say
> "EVERY function of EVERY C file in core ruby", I'm being as literal
> and precise as I can be in my prediction.
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> This list is NOT for that type of discussion, please, let's not make
> it that now. Please, stop this now. I really don't want to leave this
> list, in fact, I _need_ to be on this list.
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> ----- Following is something Eric wrote up after doing research on
> Ilias:
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> check out this:
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> http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html
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> Especially:
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> Ilias is currently (17-Sep-2002) being almost entirely ignored and
> is crying alone to himself, while trying to join in various threads.
> With luck if this continues he will get bored and wander off to
> annoy people in some other newsgroup. He is one of the most
> malignant posters to cll in recent history - between 27-Aug-2002
> and 24-Sep-2002 threads begin by him were about 1/4 of the articles
> in cll.
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> -----
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> Go read those threads. Seriously. They are an exact reflection of
> what is being done to ruby.
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> --
> ryand-ruby@zenspider.com - http://blog.zenspider.com/
> http://rubyforge.org/projects/ruby2c/
> http://rubyforge.org/projects/parsetree/
> http://rubyforge.org/projects/rubyinline/
> http://www.zenspider.com/seattle.rb
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Bill Atkins

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