From: Austin Ziegler Date: 2010-09-11T14:15:13+09:00 Subject: [ruby-core:32311] Re: Can we convert the standard library to gems? On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 10/09/10 at 02:41 +0900, Aaron Patterson wrote: >> I think this kind of problem already happens today with Debian. �IIRC, >> doing a normal install of Ruby on debian doesn't provide openssl, you >> have to specifically ask for it. > This was true in the past, but is no longer the case. > > Please avoid spreading FUD about Ruby and Debian. It just makes our work > less fun than it should be. Lucas: I just dealt with a rather painful problem on Ubuntu 10.04 because of the changes that Debian made to RubyGems, a need to upgrade to RubyGems 1.3.7 (there are gems that will not install unless you're on at least that version of RubyGems), and my own belief that the Debian/Ubuntu situation wasn't as bad as it used to be (given that I can do "gem update --system" on Mac OS without breaking anything, and what others have said). A small dose of my own idiocy in pushing forward despite how things looked didn't help. Things were badly broken enough that I had to go through a whole series of "dpkg --remove --force-dependencies" and equivalent --purge calls just to be able to reliably reinstall enough Ruby to use rvm for the future to avoid this. When I did "apt-get install ruby1.8", I didn't get rdoc1.8, rubygems1.8, ri1.8, or libopenssl-ruby1.8, all of which I consider standard parts of the Ruby ecosystem. Things are much better than they were three or four years ago, but the unfortunate reality is that what Aaron said isn't FUD; I just experienced it in the last 36 hours. Aside from what I consider to be the unforgivable breakage to rubygems, the Debian maintainers are doing a much better job of handling Ruby than has been done in the past and than has been done in other situations. However, I still don't think that it's quite enough (in part because of the unforgivable breakage to rubygems). -a -- Austin Ziegler � halostatue@gmail.com � austin@halostatue.ca http://www.halostatue.ca/ � http://twitter.com/halostatue