[#13161] hacking on the "heap" implementation in gc.c — Lloyd Hilaiel <lloyd@...>

Hi all,

16 messages 2007/11/01

[#13182] Thinking of dropping YAML from 1.8 — Urabe Shyouhei <shyouhei@...>

Hello all.

14 messages 2007/11/03

[#13315] primary encoding and source encoding — David Flanagan <david@...>

I've got a couple of questions about the handling of primary encoding.

29 messages 2007/11/08
[#13331] Re: primary encoding and source encoding — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/11/09

Hi,

[#13368] method names in 1.9 — "David A. Black" <dblack@...>

Hi --

61 messages 2007/11/10
[#13369] Re: method names in 1.9 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/11/10

Hi,

[#13388] Re: method names in 1.9 — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/11/11

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#13403] Re: method names in 1.9 — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/11/11

On 11/11/07, Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@sun.com> wrote:

[#13410] Re: method names in 1.9 — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/11/11

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#13413] Re: method names in 1.9 — Charles Oliver Nutter <charles.nutter@...> 2007/11/11

David Flanagan wrote:

[#13423] Re: method names in 1.9 — Jordi <mumismo@...> 2007/11/12

Summing it up:

[#13386] Re: method names in 1.9 — Trans <transfire@...> 2007/11/11

[#13391] Re: method names in 1.9 — Matthew Boeh <mboeh@...> 2007/11/11

On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 05:50:18PM +0900, Trans wrote:

[#13457] mingw rename — "Roger Pack" <rogerpack2005@...>

Currently for different windows' builds, the names for RUBY_PLATFORM

13 messages 2007/11/13

[#13485] Proposal: Array#walker — Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner <ed.odanow@...>

Good morning all together!

23 messages 2007/11/14
[#13486] Re: Proposal: Array#walker — Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner <ed.odanow@...> 2007/11/14

A nicer version may be...

[#13488] Re: Proposal: Array#walker — Trans <transfire@...> 2007/11/14

[#13495] Re: Proposal: Array#walker — Trans <transfire@...> 2007/11/14

[#13498] state of threads in 1.9 — Jordi <mumismo@...>

Are Threads mapped to threads on the underlying operating system in

30 messages 2007/11/14
[#13519] Re: state of threads in 1.9 — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...> 2007/11/14

[#13526] Re: state of threads in 1.9 — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2007/11/14

On Nov 14, 2007, at 11:18 , Bill Kelly wrote:

[#13528] test/unit and miniunit — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

When is the 1.9 freeze?

17 messages 2007/11/14

[#13564] Thoughts about Array#compact!, Array#flatten!, Array#reject!, String#strip!, String#capitalize!, String#gsub!, etc. — Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner <ed.odanow@...>

Good evening all together!

53 messages 2007/11/15
[#13575] Re: Thoughts about Array#compact!, Array#flatten!, Array#reject!, String#strip!, String#capitalize!, String#gsub!, etc. — "Nikolai Weibull" <now@...> 2007/11/15

On Nov 15, 2007 8:14 PM, Wolfgang N=E1dasi-Donner <ed.odanow@wonado.de> wro=

[#13578] Re: Thoughts about Array#compact!, Array#flatten!, Array#reject!, String#strip!, String#capitalize!, String#gsub!, etc. — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...> 2007/11/16

Nikolai Weibull schrieb:

[#13598] wondering about #tap (was: Re: Thoughts about Array#compact!, Array#flatten!, Array#reject!, String#strip!, String#capitalize!, String#gsub!, etc.) — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2007/11/16

Hi --

[#13605] Re: wondering about #tap (was: Re: Thoughts about Array#compact!, Array#flatten!, Array#reject!, String#strip!, String#capitalize!, String#gsub!, etc.) — Trans <transfire@...> 2007/11/16

[#13612] Re: wondering about #tap (was: Re: Thoughts about Array#compact!, Array#flatten!, Array#reject!, String#strip!, String#capitalize!, String#gsub!, etc.) — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2007/11/16

Hi --

[#13624] Re: wondering about #tap (was: Re: Thoughts about Array#compact!, Array#flatten!, Array#reject!, String#strip!, String#capitalize!, String#gsub!, etc.) — "Nikolai Weibull" <now@...> 2007/11/16

On Nov 16, 2007 12:40 PM, David A. Black <dblack@rubypal.com> wrote:

[#13632] Re: wondering about #tap — David Flanagan <david@...> 2007/11/16

David A. Black wrote:

[#13634] Re: wondering about #tap — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2007/11/16

Hi --

[#13636] Re: wondering about #tap — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2007/11/16

On Nov 16, 2007 12:40 PM, David A. Black <dblack@rubypal.com> wrote:

[#13637] Re: wondering about #tap — murphy <murphy@...> 2007/11/16

Rick DeNatale wrote:

[#13640] Re: wondering about #tap — Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner <ed.odanow@...> 2007/11/16

murphy schrieb:

[#13614] Suggestion for native thread tests — "Eust痃uio Rangel" <eustaquiorangel@...>

Hi!

12 messages 2007/11/16

[#13685] Problems with \M-x in utf-8 encoded strings — Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner <ed.odanow@...>

Hi!

11 messages 2007/11/18

[#13741] retry semantics changed — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

In 1.8, I could write:

46 messages 2007/11/23
[#13742] Re: retry semantics changed — "Brian Mitchell" <binary42@...> 2007/11/23

On Nov 23, 2007 12:06 PM, Dave Thomas <dave@pragprog.com> wrote:

[#13743] Re: retry semantics changed — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2007/11/23

[#13746] Re: retry semantics changed — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/11/23

Hi,

[#13747] Re: retry semantics changed — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2007/11/23

[#13748] Re: retry semantics changed — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/11/23

Hi,

[#13749] Re: retry semantics changed — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2007/11/23

Re: method names in 1.9

From: Matthew Boeh <mboeh@...>
Date: 2007-11-12 15:51:59 UTC
List: ruby-core #13447
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 11:15:54PM +0900, Jordi wrote:
> Object.method () have different behaviour than send. It doesn't use
> method_missing. when it makes a lot of sense to use it. That behavior
> should be deprecated.
> object_a.send ("method_a")
> object_a.method(:method_a).call
> should be equivalents

That'd be a pretty radical change, considering that method_missing works by=
=20
side effect. In the absence of the side effect-free variant of method_missi=
ng=20
I mentioned earlier in this thread, you'd have to implement this new=20
Object#method (here #mm_method for "method_missing method") sort of like th=
is:

  class Object
    def mm_method(sym)
      if respond_to?(sym)
        method(sym)
      else
        lambda {|*args| send(sym, *args) } end
      end
    end
  end
 =20
  b =3D Object.new
  def b.frob() 'b frobbed' end
  m_frob =3D b.mm_method(:frob)
  # =3D=3D> Method
  m_prod =3D b.mm_method(:prod)
  # =3D=3D> Proc
  m_prod.call
  #! NoMethodError: undefined method 'prod'
  def b.method_missing(*args) "method_missing: #{args.inspect}" end
  m_prod.call(1,2,:z)
  # =3D=3D> "method_missing: [:prod, 1, 2, :z]"

I can definitely see the benefit to this approach of lazily resolving metho=
ds,=20
but I also don't think it's Object#method. I see that method as an=20
introspection and metaprogramming tool more than anything else.

At least in theory, Ruby provides two different interfaces to objects: an=
=20
abstract message-passing system (foo.bar) that conceals implementation=20
details, and a concrete system that exposes them (foo.method(:bar)). Both a=
re=20
heavily used.

The main issue seems to be that Object#send exists between the two systems=
=20
when it should properly fit within the first. Personally, I think that shou=
ld=20
be changed -- I do have some code which relies on #send calling protected=
=20
methods, but very little, and it's always been something of a hack.

--
Matthew Boeh

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