From: retro via ruby-core Date: 2025-11-03T19:31:43+00:00 Subject: [ruby-core:123667] [Ruby Misc#21657] Question: Is Ruby 4.0 planned for December 2025 or later? Issue #21657 has been updated by retro (Josef ��im��nek). > Well no. This all stems from you following a very inefficient and user-unfriendly workflow (which you are entirely free to). @byroot Well yes, I think I have clearly stated that your workflow could be also very inefficient and user-unfriendly (which you are entirely free to). I agree your workflow is in the end best for gem consumers, but it requires to follow closely Ruby core development to be able to react in time for potential changes. If you're not maintainer doing this and you can't provide this guarantee to your gems, it is clearly safer to get a bit more defensive and the way @dmitry.pogrebnoy does this is IMHO good balance in between both. It is well known fact Ruby releases around Christmas, and just getting early reminder to check gems are still OK once per year, test and release new versions including new Ruby versions is optimal. In the end, common consumers will see no difference for both workflows - once new Ruby is out, they can resolve bundle. I understand it is not simple to bring Semantic Versioning to Ruby, but please accept current versioning can cause those troubles and there is nothing wrong to ask. Ideally it would be nice to get friendly environment enough to let maintainer ask and get answer without being accused of being inefficient and providing user-unfriendly workflow. > I maintains 2x as many gems gems as you, with ~3000x as many downloads and I have none of your problems, and my users don't need to needlessly upgrade my gems. On every new ruby release, 99% of my gems don't need any change ����. *So how does this work? Are you self-titled ultimate gems overlord now (having this many downloads) and only your workflow is friendly and efficient? This arrogant behavior will not help motivate maintainers to keep their good work. Each gem maintainer deserves respect. Amount of active maintainers is decreasing each year, a lot of gems are being abandoned. This is not helping IMHO. It used to be friendly safe space in here. :sad-panda:* ---------------------------------------- Misc #21657: Question: Is Ruby 4.0 planned for December 2025 or later? https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21657#change-115049 * Author: dmitry.pogrebnoy (Dmitry Pogrebnoy) * Status: Feedback ---------------------------------------- Hello Ruby core team, I noticed that the first preview of Ruby 3.5 has been released, and at the same time there���s some talk in the community about Ruby 4.0 potentially arriving in December 2025. Could you please clarify what the current roadmap looks like? Is Ruby 4.0 already planned for this December, or is the next stable release still Ruby 3.5? Having a clear, public roadmap would really help library and tooling authors (like IDE vendors) prepare for upcoming versions and provide better support. Thank you! -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ ______________________________________________ ruby-core mailing list -- ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-core-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org ruby-core info -- https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/lists/ruby-core.ml.ruby-lang.org/