From: "rubyFeedback (robert heiler) via ruby-core" <ruby-core@...> Date: 2023-06-22T08:17:31+00:00 Subject: [ruby-core:113999] [Ruby master Feature#19742] Introduce `Module#anonymous?` Issue #19742 has been updated by rubyFeedback (robert heiler). > I don't think Rails should monkey patch Module in this way either. This may be a problem with some of rails idioms, e. g. how HashWithIndifferentAccess arose, to give one example. While one may understand the use case (not having to care about same-named key strings and key symbols), it can be confusing when the terminology does not match e. g. matz's expectation or terminology. To the actual topic: this is the first time I heard about "permanent?". I think I heard about anonymous modules before, but never ".permanent?()". For the purpose of the proposal it may be easier to ignore .permanent? altogether and just focus on the question of the usefulness / use case of "Module#anonymous?". (I have no particular opinion on whether it is needed or not; in my own code I rarely have unnamed things, not even using Class.new either. I try to keep meta-programming as simple as possible to avoid my poor brain having to figure out what I did months ago with some spaghetti code.) ---------------------------------------- Feature #19742: Introduce `Module#anonymous?` https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/19742#change-103657 * Author: ioquatix (Samuel Williams) * Status: Open * Priority: Normal ---------------------------------------- As a follow-on <from https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/19521>, I'd like propose we introduce `Module#anonymous?`. In some situations, like logging/formatting, serialisation/deserialization, debugging or meta-programming, we might like to know if a class is a proper constant or not. However, this brings about some other issues which might need to be discussed. After assigning a constant, then removing it, the internal state of Ruby still believes that the class name is permanent, even thought it's no longer true. e.g. ``` m = Module.new m.anonymous? # true M = m m.anonyomous # false Object.send(:remove_const, :M) M # uninitialized constant M (NameError) m.anonymous? # false ``` Because RCLASS data structure is not updated after the constant is removed, internally the state still has a "permanent class name". I want to use this proposal to discuss this issue and whether there is anything we should do about such behaviour (or even if it's desirable). Proposed PR: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/pull/7966 cc @fxn -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ ______________________________________________ ruby-core mailing list -- ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-core-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org ruby-core info -- https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-core.ml.ruby-lang.org/