From: "baweaver (Brandon Weaver)" Date: 2022-10-17T17:49:36+00:00 Subject: [ruby-core:110370] [Ruby master Feature#19063] Hash.new with non-value objects should be less confusing Issue #19063 has been updated by baweaver (Brandon Weaver). I would agree that `Hash.new { [] }` would be very nice, and as mentioned has a dual in `Array.new(5) { [] }`. While I do not think that it is a bug (and my apologies for earlier bad wording) to have `Hash.new([])` do what it currently does, I would like to clarify what I meant. My intended meaning was that new Ruby users _think_ it is a bug when they realize the behavior, which can be the cause of confusion. My desire is to make Ruby more understandable for new users, and prevent confusion where possible. I appreciate that newer versions of the docs explicitly call this behavior out, I had not seen that in the past, so I would like to thank whoever added that. Given the above conversation I would still be in favor of a warning on instances of `Hash.new` when called with mutable objects like `[]` as this does a few things: 1. Call out potentially confusing behavior for new users 2. Not break compatibility 3. Could be turned off by advanced users who intend this behavior Outside of clever usages in experimental repos I have not been finding intentional usages of this syntax, so I would think this would be an acceptable compromise given the frequency of unintended usage as noted by @austin. @sawa / @matz - Should we open a new ticket for this shorthand `Hash.new { [] }` syntax? It may be worth its own new conversation, but I am very positive of this syntax. ---------------------------------------- Feature #19063: Hash.new with non-value objects should be less confusing https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/19063#change-99664 * Author: baweaver (Brandon Weaver) * Status: Open * Priority: Normal ---------------------------------------- Related to #10713 and #2764. Ruby's `Hash.new` accepts either a block or a param for its default value. In the case of non-value objects this leads to unexpected behaviors: ```ruby bad_hash_with_array_values = Hash.new([]) good_hash_with_array_values = Hash.new { |h, k| h[k] = [] } ``` While, as @hsbt has said in the past, this is behaving as intended for the Ruby language it has caused a lot of confusion in the community over the years and is a known sharp-edge. My assertion is that this is not the intended behavior, and I cannot find a legitimate usecase in which someone intends for this to happen. More often new users to Ruby are confused by this behavior and spend a lot of time debugging. We must consider the impact to Ruby users, despite what the intent of the language is, and make the language more clear where possible. Given that, I have a few potential proposals for Ruby committers. ### Proposal 1: Do What They Meant When people use `Hash.new([])` they mean `Hash.new { |h, k| h[k] = [] }`. Can we make that the case that if you pass a mutable or non-value object that the behavior will be as intended using `dup` or other techniques? When used in the above incorrect way it is likely if not always broken code. ### Proposal 2: Warn About Unexpected Behavior As mentioned above, I do not believe there are legitimate usages of `Hash.new([])`, and it is a known bug to many users as they do not intend for that behavior. It may be worthwhile to warn people if they do use it. ### Proposal 3: Require Frozen or Values This is more breaking than the above, but it may make sense to require any value passed to `Hash.new` to either be `frozen` or a value object (e.g. `1` or `true`) ## Updating RuboCop Failing this, I am considering advocating for RuboCop and similar linters to warn people against this behavior as it is not intended in most to all cases: https://github.com/rubocop/rubocop/issues/11013 ...but as @ioquatix has mentioned on the issue it would make more sense to fix Ruby rather than put a patch on top of it. I would be inclined to agree with his assessment, and would rather fix this at a language level as it is a known point of confusion. ## Final Thoughts I would ask that maintainers consider the confusion that this has caused in the community, rather than asserting this "works as intended." It does work as intended, but the intended functionality can make Ruby more difficult for beginners. We should keep this in mind. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ Unsubscribe: