From: "shioyama (Chris Salzberg)" Date: 2022-09-25T12:54:09+00:00 Subject: [ruby-core:110071] [Ruby master Feature#10320] require into module Issue #10320 has been updated by shioyama (Chris Salzberg). I think there are some misunderstandings, which are at least partly my fault for not being clearer about my intentions here. There are two things I presented earlier in this thread: - changes to Ruby ([here](https://github.com/shioyama/ruby/tree/import_modules)) to make the `load` wrap module transitive in `require`, including native extension code, and some other smaller changes around `name`. - a gem ([Im](https://github.com/shioyama/im)) which takes advantage of those changes to implement imports I do not intend to propose here that everything that's in the gem be implemented in Ruby itself. My intention is to motivate changes at the language level necessary to open the door to gems like Im do implement imports in whatever way gem owners see fit. > It looks like Im attempts to handle the above case by copying global constants into the module. I doubt we would want to do that in `load` or `require`. Agreed, I had always imagined that this was something that could be done at the gem level, or not at all, depending on needs. > To me, this example is a perfect indication of why we shouldn't support this. This uses `import` to load `ActiveSupport`, so that `ActiveSupport` is not added to top level namespace, but all of the core extensions added by `ActiveSupport` are still active. The namespace isolation is only partial, it is not complete. The namespace isolation _as implemented in the gem_ is only partial. The Ruby side should IMO be as close as possible to absolute isolation, so e.g. toplevel references in the wrapped module should resolve to the module top, not absolute top. This way the importer has full control over what constants to make available to the wrapped script. But this of course poses a problem for basic classes that can be monkeypatched (`String`, `Hash`, etc) I don't know what the solution for that is but it seems to me the problem there is more with monkeypatching as a common practice than it is with imports (potentially) giving access to those classes across multiple imports. > I'm against `require` accepting a module similar to `load`, and against making the module wrapping behavior transitive, so that `require` and `load` automatically use the currently wrapping module. To be clear, I'm also against the former. The latter (transitivity of the wrap module to `require`) is a dealbreaker though because if we do not have transitivity, then existing code will never be importable without rewriting it. I am not suggesting it has to be `load`, but transitivity _somewhere_ to `require` is going to be necessary in order for any kind of code importing to be practically useful. The discussion of loading multiple versions of a gem is interesting, but I don't think it's terribly relevant to deciding whether Ruby should support transitivity of wrapping behaviour. What I implemented in the gem, with constant aliases, was one way of dealing with core extensions, and it works (sort of) for loading gems like Rails that monkey-patch core classes. Of course this would cause problems loading multiple versions of a gem, but I'm not suggesting Ruby ever should do this. ---------------------------------------- Feature #10320: require into module https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/10320#change-99322 * Author: sowieso (So Wieso) * Status: Open * Priority: Normal ---------------------------------------- When requiring a library, global namespace always gets polluted, at least with one module name. So when requiring a gem with many dependencies, at least one constant enters global namespace per dependency, which can easily get out of hand (especially when gems are not enclosed in a module). Would it be possible to extend require (and load, require_relative) to put all content into a custom module and not into global namespace? Syntax ideas: ~~~ruby require 'libfile', into: :Lib # keyword-argument require 'libfile' in Lib # with keyword, also defining a module Lib at current binding (unless defined? Lib) require_qualified 'libfile', :Lib ~~~ This would also make including code into libraries much easier, as it is well scoped. ~~~ruby module MyGem ����require 'needed' in Need ����def do_something ��������Need::important.process! ����end end # library user is never concerned over needed's content ~~~ Some problems to discuss: * requiring into two different modules means loading the file twice? * monkeypatching libraries should only affect the module ����� auto refinements? * maybe also allow a binding as argument, not only a module? * privately require, so that required constants and methods are not accessible from the outside of a module (seems to difficult) * what about $global constants, read them from global scope but copy-write them only to local scope? Similar issue: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/5643 -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ Unsubscribe: