From: "Eregon (Benoit Daloze)" Date: 2022-02-17T17:39:13+00:00 Subject: [ruby-core:107644] [Ruby master Bug#18567] Depending on default gems in stdlib gems when not needed considered harmful Issue #18567 has been updated by Eregon (Benoit Daloze). @Dan0042 One issue is some people want the dependency on default gems to be in the Gemfile.lock, which e.g. enables the gem to be checked for security issues easily (e.g. dependabot). And of course if someone specifies a specific version for a default gem they would like the version to be respected and not use the potentially-older version in stdlib (especially if they need a new method or so). That also means a default gem being noop is not always ideal from a security POV, but: 1) that can be fixed by supporting the Ruby implementation in that gem directly 2) the alternative Ruby implementation might not have that security issue anyway since it has a different implementation (e.g., `date` ReDoS don't affect truffleruby due to the better Regexp engine, less buffer overflows on JVM, etc). 3) it is unlikely to have security issues for some small default gems 4) a Ruby implementations can always decide to make an extra release to fix a security issue in stdlib ---------------------------------------- Bug #18567: Depending on default gems in stdlib gems when not needed considered harmful https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/18567#change-96557 * Author: Eregon (Benoit Daloze) * Status: Open * Priority: Normal * Backport: 2.6: UNKNOWN, 2.7: UNKNOWN, 3.0: UNKNOWN, 3.1: UNKNOWN ---------------------------------------- CRuby over time moves more and more code to default gems, to bundled gems and or even stops shipping some gems which used to be stdlibs (#5481). I believe the main motivation for that is being to fix security issues without needing to make a CRuby release, and that makes sense. There are however multiple unwanted side effects of this: 1. Removing gems from stdlib (e.g., #17873) is a breaking change, which makes upgrading to a new Ruby version more difficult. I think this should only be done if there is a clear gain. Being a default gem is already enough to fix a security issue without a CRuby release. 2. When any gem depends on a default gem, it tends to break on all Ruby implementations except CRuby, and for older Ruby versions. Let's focus on this second point. There can be good reasons to depend on a specific version (or ~>/>=) of a default gem, for instance to ensure a given security issue is addressed. In other cases, I think there is no value to depend explicitly on a default gem, it would work without an explicit dependency since it is still "in stdlib". And it is actually harmful to depend on default gems for JRuby, TruffleRuby and older Ruby versions, because the default gem does typically not work there yet, but the stdlib works just fine! The reason for that is simple, those gems used to be stdlib and so were implemented directly in the Ruby implementation. Also depending on default gem will typically be redundant with what's in stdlib, which is then a waste of network, time and disk. For larger default gems (e.g., openssl), I believe the solution is those gems to support JRuby, TruffleRuby, etc. This is useful so the behavior for a given version of the gem is compatible between Ruby implementations, has the same security fixes, etc. It is however a large effort and overhead to do this, and it only makes sense if people are going to need to depend on such a gem explicitly (either for security or new features in a given version), otherwise the version in stdlib is good enough and much simpler. Here are I think some clear cases of default gems which are clearly more overhead than what they gain: * io-wait: just a few methods very tight to IO internals, should really be core * io-nonblock just a few methods very tight to IO internals, should really be core * digest: has a public header and so versioning it doesn't work. Also it makes sense to reuse e.g. MessageDigest on JVM for better performance. * strscan: this accesses a lot of Regexp internal, it would fit better in each implementation repo as a non-gem stdlib. These are all small, they are all fairly stable, and it's unclear why they are even default gems in the first place. They also seem fairly unlikely to have security issues. So this is what I propose: * Do not depend on default gems in stdlib gems unless necessary (for security or feature), or unless we know the next version of Ruby will no longer ship that gem. An example is `net-protocol` depending needlessly on `io-wait`, I'll make a PR for that. * I think those gems listed just above should no longer be default gems in the future to clarify the situation. They should either be core or regular non-gem stdlib. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ Unsubscribe: